My past involvements in the "f" debate TV productions
Just klick on the link for the transcripts:
Tasmanian Fire Sale Feb. 2003
FRANK STRIE: "If you look just down there now, it's complete devastation. It's a disgrace in an economical sense and ecological sense. ..."
www.sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/cover_stories/transcript_1205.asp
and online :
January 10, 2004
Native Forests: more debate
These comments by Frank Strie were made in the comment box of the previous post. They address the opinions of Greg Barnes at www.Crikey.com.au in an insightful way as Frank widens the debate from trees to ecosystem. They are too important to be left buried in the comments as they point towards the idea of ecological integrity.
I have edited the comments so they flow more easily.
This is what Frank said:
"For Greg Barns it, (the issue) continues to be still all about trees and trees again. No matter how often one points this out to him, (see under letters on Tasmanian Times). Barns ignores to see the forests, the creeks and ecosystems. He also ignores the serious debate about good water quality and quantity, clean air and the great loss of opportunities due to resource destruction. Barnes simply will not recognise that forests (not only trees) are the issue.
In reality, the logging debate is much wider than just a fight about big old growth and tall trees, just between the Wilderness Society and Forestry Tasmania and it's Industry lobby. Greg Barnes appears simple-minded, as he can only see two opposing sides, just as he uses the example of two countries at war.
What about the local community what about the world community? All around Tasmania there are communities confronted with destruction of landscape, water resource, 1080 poison, chemical spray etc. etc. Just have a look at Discover Tasmania or Tarkine or Doctors for Forests.
Is the broader population not involved in the debate? Are they not participating on talkback radio and letters to the editor and other forms of debate? Is the public community just outside observers for G. Barnes? Is every critical voice a typical greenie? If so what a narrow view!
For me and my associates in the 'for forests movement' (*Timber Workers For Forests Inc. www.twff.com.au) the debate is not simply about economic versus environmental arguments; it is actually about social, ethical and intergenerational issues too.
Typical negotiated 'compromises' and handshakes behind closed doors are just old fashioned ways, in contrast we are working on real solution with the community. The problem is that in the meantime the destruction continues:... ( here and here.)
The Forest Practices System is self-regulated in Tasmania. Just as in other industries around Australia, self-regulation does not work; and in the case of forests, after its gone it takes hundreds of years to get back to what it was, if ever again!
Back to positive contributions. One example of committed work can be found here ProSilva: quality management in our forests. Nearly 10 years ago this paper was first written and presented, however it was ignored and by some just dismissed outright.
The destruction continued, the problem has become more than just a "challenge" of our time. Isn't it time to work out the positive changes, not just with the traditionally two opposing sides? Together with the local community and to make really sure it will work we should not forget to involve the world community."
For a positive Tasmania Frank Strie, FWM, Schwabenforest Pty. Ltd.
(*changed link to TWFF)
On ABC TV:
Four Corners - 16/02/2004: Lords of the Forests
TICKY FULLERTON: Frank Strie says this myrtle, hundreds of years old,
is on the chipping block ...
FRANK STRIE: "Here we are. Just over 11 and a half metres. ..." www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2004/s1132778.htm
Controversy came about when Forestry Tasmania complaint to the ABC Board that the Myrtle Tree shown was not for real! What a disgrace for a Government Business Enterprise like Forestry Tasmania to write a formal complaint to the ABC board without double checking the facts! As if I would have taken part in an "invented tree stunt"! No appology was ever received, instead there is still a link on Forestry Tasmania's own website for the last two years now:
[PDF] Complaints Australian Broadcasting Corporation GPO Box 9994 Hobart ...
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML Frank Strie says this myrtle, hundreds of years old, is on the chipping block. And. because of its knots and gnarls it is worth even less at the chip mill ...
www.forestrytas.com.au/forestrytas/pdf_files/four_corners_response_2004.pdf
Neighbours
... of the year and the temperature difference measured between the logging road outside the rainforest, and inside next to 'Holger's Myrtle' was 10.6°C. ... www.tasmaniantimes.com/jurassic/striemyrtle.html
EVENTS TASMANIA - TASMANIAN VISITORS EVENT from Discover Tasmania
The rich natural forest was just fantastic, the tall Tree Ferns and the huge Myrtle (called Holger's Myrtle is 12 metres around the trunk) on the Western ...
www.discover-tasmania.com/events
The really sad part is that whilst Forestry Tasmania's Bass Forest District verbally made committments that the rainforest around Holger's Myrtle would be protected from logging, they have since clearfelled the forest to about 70 metres on the western side, for a monoculture Eucalyptus nitens plantation, consequently most tall rainforest trees (Sassafras) in this undersized "buffer" have since been blown over by the westerly winds.
Not best practice at all!
Tasmanian Fire Sale Feb. 2003
FRANK STRIE: "If you look just down there now, it's complete devastation. It's a disgrace in an economical sense and ecological sense. ..."
www.sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/cover_stories/transcript_1205.asp
and online :
January 10, 2004
Native Forests: more debate
These comments by Frank Strie were made in the comment box of the previous post. They address the opinions of Greg Barnes at www.Crikey.com.au in an insightful way as Frank widens the debate from trees to ecosystem. They are too important to be left buried in the comments as they point towards the idea of ecological integrity.
I have edited the comments so they flow more easily.
This is what Frank said:
"For Greg Barns it, (the issue) continues to be still all about trees and trees again. No matter how often one points this out to him, (see under letters on Tasmanian Times). Barns ignores to see the forests, the creeks and ecosystems. He also ignores the serious debate about good water quality and quantity, clean air and the great loss of opportunities due to resource destruction. Barnes simply will not recognise that forests (not only trees) are the issue.
In reality, the logging debate is much wider than just a fight about big old growth and tall trees, just between the Wilderness Society and Forestry Tasmania and it's Industry lobby. Greg Barnes appears simple-minded, as he can only see two opposing sides, just as he uses the example of two countries at war.
What about the local community what about the world community? All around Tasmania there are communities confronted with destruction of landscape, water resource, 1080 poison, chemical spray etc. etc. Just have a look at Discover Tasmania or Tarkine or Doctors for Forests.
Is the broader population not involved in the debate? Are they not participating on talkback radio and letters to the editor and other forms of debate? Is the public community just outside observers for G. Barnes? Is every critical voice a typical greenie? If so what a narrow view!
For me and my associates in the 'for forests movement' (*Timber Workers For Forests Inc. www.twff.com.au) the debate is not simply about economic versus environmental arguments; it is actually about social, ethical and intergenerational issues too.
Typical negotiated 'compromises' and handshakes behind closed doors are just old fashioned ways, in contrast we are working on real solution with the community. The problem is that in the meantime the destruction continues:... ( here and here.)
The Forest Practices System is self-regulated in Tasmania. Just as in other industries around Australia, self-regulation does not work; and in the case of forests, after its gone it takes hundreds of years to get back to what it was, if ever again!
Back to positive contributions. One example of committed work can be found here ProSilva: quality management in our forests. Nearly 10 years ago this paper was first written and presented, however it was ignored and by some just dismissed outright.
The destruction continued, the problem has become more than just a "challenge" of our time. Isn't it time to work out the positive changes, not just with the traditionally two opposing sides? Together with the local community and to make really sure it will work we should not forget to involve the world community."
For a positive Tasmania Frank Strie, FWM, Schwabenforest Pty. Ltd.
(*changed link to TWFF)
On ABC TV:
Four Corners - 16/02/2004: Lords of the Forests
TICKY FULLERTON: Frank Strie says this myrtle, hundreds of years old,
is on the chipping block ...
FRANK STRIE: "Here we are. Just over 11 and a half metres. ..." www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2004/s1132778.htm
Controversy came about when Forestry Tasmania complaint to the ABC Board that the Myrtle Tree shown was not for real! What a disgrace for a Government Business Enterprise like Forestry Tasmania to write a formal complaint to the ABC board without double checking the facts! As if I would have taken part in an "invented tree stunt"! No appology was ever received, instead there is still a link on Forestry Tasmania's own website for the last two years now:
[PDF] Complaints Australian Broadcasting Corporation GPO Box 9994 Hobart ...
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML Frank Strie says this myrtle, hundreds of years old, is on the chipping block. And. because of its knots and gnarls it is worth even less at the chip mill ...
www.forestrytas.com.au/forestrytas/pdf_files/four_corners_response_2004.pdf
Neighbours
... of the year and the temperature difference measured between the logging road outside the rainforest, and inside next to 'Holger's Myrtle' was 10.6°C. ... www.tasmaniantimes.com/jurassic/striemyrtle.html
EVENTS TASMANIA - TASMANIAN VISITORS EVENT from Discover Tasmania
The rich natural forest was just fantastic, the tall Tree Ferns and the huge Myrtle (called Holger's Myrtle is 12 metres around the trunk) on the Western ...
www.discover-tasmania.com/events
The really sad part is that whilst Forestry Tasmania's Bass Forest District verbally made committments that the rainforest around Holger's Myrtle would be protected from logging, they have since clearfelled the forest to about 70 metres on the western side, for a monoculture Eucalyptus nitens plantation, consequently most tall rainforest trees (Sassafras) in this undersized "buffer" have since been blown over by the westerly winds.
Not best practice at all!
posted by TBWG 6/2009 at 4:46 pm
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